Quote Paul Youane="Paul Youane"Surely it becomes a judgement call on what the player intended to do, just like whether a player plays the ball or the ball plays him when effecting a tackle decides whether its a knock on or not?
The example you give would be a clear knock-on.
My penny's worth (and I know your all waiting on it with baited breath) is that even given Cumming's "liberal" interpretation of the rules the McGuire incidence was a knock-on as he was not attempting a drop goal; he was looking to grubber through (I can't believe some people on this thread are suggesting he was not committed to a kick through and reacted to droppping the ball - get down to Specsavers if you do) and could not execute the kick correctly due to the pressure he was under. This lead to a hash of the attempted kick and a knock-on occurring.'"
Your assessment is fair enough, but it's a bit sad that we all have to keep evaluating and re-evaluating this incident. Whether he was trying a grubber, whether he fumbled - all irrelevant. It was a knock-on. It was very clearly NOT an attempted field-goal. That should be the end of the matter, though I suspect it won't be - that will only come when Leeds next lose, and their fans need to look for a different excuse.
But I have to mention one thing that is killing me. All fo a sudden Stuart Cummins is a font of all knowledge.
People have very short memories. He was far and away the worst ref in modern times. He's the only I know whose performance was so bad that he got taken out on the pitch by a fan, during a professional match.
