The problem started well off the field and well into last year.



Poor recruitment and then as we have carried on into this and last season an inability of a coach to directly impact on his players and make individual or team improvements.



That team last night is never going to get into the playoffs we aren't that stupid.



It shouldn't be getting pinged 62-0 though in a derby game and well into the early part of the year when you would expect players who may be out of their depth to put it about abit more in the hope of impressing.



Things aren't going to change either. Betts can't make improvements, Cullen talks the best game I have ever heard and SOC has taken it all in and has let mediocrity set in throughout the club.

As a Broncos fan I feel that the situation with Betts is the same as with Powell. Average squad made worse by a terrible coach. Look what Noble did with an average Crusaders squad. A decent coach that can motivate can do something with an average squad. Powell and Betts both seem very poor coaches to me and don't get the squad playing with intensity or desire. Anyway good luck for the rest of the season, keep the faith.

Either Ste O'Connor has the patience of a saint,he is stubborn or he doesn't feel for the club as much as the fans.That is the only explanation I can draw from him allowing this lunacy to continue destroying the club and turning fans away in their droves.We are not talking about mere defeats here which most supporters could accept,we are talking absolute mullerings with no light at the end of the tunnel and no signs of improvement.We are embarrassing and that hurts the most.Betts is so out of his depth it is unreal.The warning signs were there though last season when he failed to dominate in the championship and suffered four heavy defeats twice to both Leigh and Featherstone within two weeks of playing them and learning nothing.

Unfortunately as bad as it is to type it, SOC is most of the problem I think. He has swallowed it all from Betts and Cullen over the last couple of years and genuinely believes that this is what we have to go through as a new side in order to develop over the three years.



He has done some wondeful things for this club but it cant honestly be said that we have been anything other than average on the pitch during his time with us.



He has allowed this mediocrity to take over the club and unfortunately I think he will allow it to continue as the club strive for the development that he believes can happen or has been told can happen with these current systems in place.



The reality is that nothing is changing. The same problems exist from Championship to Superleague yet as fans we know nothing.

It was always going to be difficult for Widnes in your first year back in SL. But the team is getting pounded almost every week so someone like Noble would be a good choice. I am certain he would make you a more difficult team to beat and pick up a couple more wins during the season than the current coaching team

We need a change in mentality from top to bottom. SOC needs to instill that failure isn't acceptable and the best way to do this is to sack Betts, Cullen whoever and bring in someone who won't accept anything other than winning. Winning mentality, winning culture at the club and things will improve. Until then we change this then we are going to scrapping it out round the bottom of superleague accepting that mediocrity is okay.

I have tried to hold my own council since friday, and i realise its a bit pointless, but i would just like ot say i think Paddy, GSF and The Cuffster have each nailed my own feelings.

never mind 'dare to dream' the club moto should be 'win or die trying!'

chins up you will come good sometime,but hey who put 38 against the worst saints side since 1996 but then look what happens



whats the saying "another day another game"what do you think of the stadium?

Firstly, I'm a Warrington supporter of over 45 years. In the past I have disliked Widnes RL -either because they were successful or had Jim Mills or both.

Whilst it's undeniably true that you haven't got the best squad of players, I'm not sure any team should be taking the sort of beatings you have so far. It's not good for Super League. I only hope that Paul Cullen doesn't have the same unhappy ending he had with us. He is a decent bloke.

He may be a decent bloke but is no good as a coach otherwise wire wouldn't have moved him on

You related to Cullen.

Joking aside i do not know him personally but i do know a few who do and they think he is a knob.

So, its 10:30 on Monday now and still no stronghold text saying Betts and Cullen have gone and a new age of hope and glory has dawned.