You could clearly hear Fergie shouting " Where the f[iu[/ick did you get that from?" whilst spitting all over the 4th official after the board was put up on MOTD last night

So you think that football should turn into a 120 minute game so that 90 minutes of actual play takes place?





What if Gerrard and Torres are out injured. It'd take you about 5 days to come up with 90 minutes of "football".





It's a minor issue. Only brought about because of the failure of sides to do what they should have done anyway. But Fergie isn't going to slag off Rooney for passing to the keeper when Berbatov was free in front of goal. He isn't going to slag off Berbatov for not having the ability to volley from 7 yards out. He's just going to have a go at the ref for not giving the correct amount of added time.

It works in rugby so I don't see why it wouldn't work in football.



Like I said yesterday, we could've played all year and wouldn't have scored. IMO Fergie ballsed up by not starting with two strikers.

You have to love Fergie...

.....He's like your pi$$ed up grandad, who's just been told that a bunch of ethnics are moving in next door...





I'm just awaiting the day when the doddery old fool inevitably drops dead on the touchline whilst berating another piece of 'incompetent' refereeing....

Great goal by Arshavin

Aye I hate him

And what do we do when the 4th official says there's three minutes added time and Fergie thinks he's wrong?



What happens when the 4th offical deems 3 minutes and there's extra stoppages in those added minutes. Do we trust the ref to add the extra time for those stoppages, or do we need the 4th offical to make another judgement?



As I said, it's a minor issue, only brought out because United lost. It'd make precious little difference to the game if we did start using official timekeepers, but it's a hell of a lot of extra work and another way of undermining refs and making out they aren't up to the job.

If they stopped the clock for things like goal kicks, free kicks, corners etc., that take up a minute or so at a time, then there would be no arguments about extra time because it wouldn't be needed, like it isn't in rugby.

I think Gerrard is a diving cheat. But today was a good example of a clear penalty not been given when it was right in front of the ref. No matter how many pens Gerrard cons, he still won't get as many given as he deserves. What did Gallas need to do to give away the pen, break his leg?



Nice to see Wenger seeing the offside when Liverpool scored. Bleat about an offside rather than accept your keeper dropped a clanger.

There's no need for arguments now. It's just a convenient excuse wheeled out when a manager wants to deflect attention from their players.



ATM you know pretty much how long a game is lasting. 90 mins + 15 min half time + between 5 and 10 minutes added time depending on injuries. If you start stopping the clock for corners, free kicks etc then a 90 minute game will start lasting 120 minutes. There's no point. Football has always been pretty much the same with the amount of breaks in play. It works fine. The system in RL works well for RL, but it's not really needed for football.

I don't like it to be honest and I don't feel the extra time system is particularly fair or effective.





Shocking result from us today yet again. We give up the lead, we defend woefully then we give up. All too often.

And I'd add that coaches don't bitch about it in RL because it's recognised as not being that important. But there will be plenty of occasions when refs forget to tell the timekeeper to stop the clock. RL coaches don't bother to notice these things.



Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger will be noticing these things (when they're losing). So instead of Fergie bitching about only 3 minutes of added time, he'll be bitching about the time when the player was down injured for 2 minutes and the clock didn't stop.



If you think having a new timekeeping system is going to stop arguments, you've clearly not seen much of Ferguson, Wenger, Benitez or Mourinho. FFS they bitch about anything and everything that doesn't go their way.