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| Quote shooter69="shooter69"1 plus point of Joel getting sent off we won , Question ?? had the Joel incident not happened would we of won ??? I don't think so, Soon s it happened the crowd got louder the hits got harder and the team woke up well slightly , I'm not saying what Joel did was right I'm just saying up until that happened i couldn't see us winning
Also all these Joel condemners would you be writing put him in u20 s, Do this, Do that had that been Farrell back in the days i don't think so,I m sure half of you on here want us have a team of soft s.
That's my view everyone has there own .'"
I think we would have scored on the set of six had Joel not put the shot in.
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| I just couldn't see it Matt today , So frustrating watching silly errors and running out of idea s ,to much 1 man rugby all the time , Carmonts be awesome in previous games and nothing was going to him or opp side apart from when we scored when we could of done that all game with our winger s
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| Quote thepriestman85="thepriestman85"What was the fabricated penalty to Hull FC for at the end?'"
You'd imagine the Hull fans would be saying the same thing about our winning penalty. He hadn't penalised that all afternoon and then pulled a 'not clearing the ruck' penalty out of the Ganson book of maddening decisions (the same one he used to penalise them 30s earlier with). I'm not complaining mind 
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| Im going to send a text to another poster on here which will show the initial contact. Joels arm was down carrying ball and only came up on the follow through AFTER tackler fell off the tackle through momentum.
I'm with previous poster, Joel lifted us today and gave us some agression out there when we were being bullied.
See initial contact picture and then tell me his elbow/forearm lifted before or after contact
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| Quote Jukesays="Jukesays"Im going to send a text to another poster on here which will show the initial contact. Joels arm was down carrying ball and only came up on the follow through AFTER tackler fell off the tackle through momentum.
I'm with previous poster, Joel lifted us today and gave us some agression out there when we were being bullied.
See initial contact picture and then tell me his elbow/forearm lifted before or after contact'"
Your bang on.
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| Quote Jukesays="Jukesays"Im going to send a text to another poster on here which will show the initial contact. Joels arm was down carrying ball and only came up on the follow through AFTER tackler fell off the tackle through momentum.
I'm with previous poster, Joel lifted us today and gave us some agression out there when we were being bullied.
See initial contact picture and then tell me his elbow/forearm lifted before or after contact'"
Point of impact.

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| well there's an eye opener. don't suppose the vid could be posted on a certain video-sharing tubular website?
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| Quote PJs Gone To Derby="PJs Gone To Derby"well there's an eye opener. don't suppose the vid could be posted on a certain video-sharing tubular website?'"
I suppose so. Give me ten minutes.
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| Is a red card an automatic ban? Or will it go to the appeals committee?
At the time it looked to me like he just bumped him off THEN his arm raised.
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| Quote MattyB="MattyB"Twenty minutes left, Wigan four points down.
Large fight involving Joel, Yeaman and Briscoe on the Hull 40 metre line. Penalty Wigan, tap and pass to Joel...he runs the ball in elbow raised into Fitzgibbon, causing another brawl, straight red and penalty to Hull.'"
It really wasn't a very bright idea to pass it to Joel just after the fight but neither him not Yeaman should have been on the pitch at that point. Both in the bin.
Quote MattyBCould have cost us the game that. Stupid of him but I think Ganson had lost the plot all through the game......Willie Manu warned three times his tackling methods...nowt done.
Poor reffing.'"
It could have cost is the game and we need to be able to cope better with teams that resort to niggling tactics even when the ref loses it as Ganson did today. I thought we let the niggling get to us big time and with Joel it boiled over. No complaints about him being sent off but I'd love to know if Wigan dare plead mitigation in that if the ref had been any good it would probably never have happened!
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| Quote thepriestman85="thepriestman85"What was the fabricated penalty to Hull FC for at the end?'"
Late hit on Whiting by Lima which to be fair to our rotund scouse friend probably was the right call
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| Joel lifted us, at full speed you probably couldnt argue with the red card, but Ganson certainly enjoyed showing it to him, strange how it never looked like being shown to Manu.
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