You continue to imply things about me that are way off the mark, not sure why you are going there to be honest.



Improvement is improvement but we have been here before so forgive my cartwheels when we still remain 9th in the league.



You seem to think i am slating Noble after this performance when infact i think he did a great job, and am happy to say he has played himself into a much more secure position. Fair play to him.



Lets look at the facts we have played poorly for most of this season, hence our position in the table when we have played a game more than the teams around us.



Other teams are also playing themselves into some form, the test will now come over the next few weeks especially the Hull KR and Wire games in my opinion, as we will be playing 2 teams who are in Hulls case near the top of there game and in Wire's case certainly on the up. The Celtic and Trinity performances came over 2 teams who were both off the boil, i do not think you can quantify improvement against 2 teams that produced probably there worst performances of the season against us.

yes i agree brian noble reads this forum

So in short Jon, you can find no reason to counter the argument other than to quote our league position which, as you full well know has nothing to do with how we have played over the last 3 games and everything to do with our poor start to the season. Think we'll leave it at that then, other than to say I'm not sure which implications I'm making which are wrong about you. Perhaps that is better left to a PM though.

What is the argument exactly?



I am not a Conditioner for Wakefield Trinity.

Well given you accused me of not properly reading your posts I'm surprised we've posted so many times and you're still not sure what the argument is!







I detailed above why I considered there to be a consistent, if non-linear, improvement over the last 3 or 4 games. Something you dispute, yet you haven't pointed out where you consider the points I made to be wrong.



I thought you have said in the past that you were on the conditioning staff at a rugby club? I assumed that it was Wakefield. Sorry if that assumption was incorrect, but it doesn't negate the points I made regarding your approach to the job just because it isn't at Wakefield. That is, assuming you are a conditioner of course....

I have no conection to any rugby club so lets draw a line under that. Why you continue to try to draw on the issue of what i am or am not i cannot understand but i have nothing to prove to you or anybody else on here thanks.



I am not disputing there has been improvement at all, i am simply not getting worked up about it till we consistently perform to what i envisage to be an acceptable standard for the players we have.



Looking at the last 3 to 4 weeks would you expect anything less than an improvement? We were shocking against Les Cats, poor against a very poor Celtic team who produced one of the worst SL displays i have ever seen. we were average against Trinity who put in there worst performance of 2009 and then superb against Saints, as i have stated on several occasions i do not think the performances in the build up to the Saints game were or an acceptable standard given the players we have, as occasional performances then fair enough but a run of 2 poor and 1 average performance hardly has me getting carried away. The Saints game was a superb performance.



All in the garden seems to be rosey as we have strung a few results together but not really had to perform apart from vs Saints. All i am saying is i will reserve judgement of how far we have come and where we are at after the Hull KR and Wire games 2 teams who are on the up. The cup game vs Wakefield is a tricky one as both teams are so unpredicatable in form and especially the occasion all we have to do is win, that will be good enough. The cup tends to throw up so odd scores simply because they are one off in nature and this can squeue the results so as long as we win by 1 or 100 i won't be reading too much into it personally.



We have had 3 years under Brian Noble we should not be happy clapping over improvement mid way through his third season. What happens if we do not perform as well as we did vs Saints this weekend (which i do not expect we will for 1 minute), and then there is no improvement?



The window you are chosing to referance as a period of improvement is firstly tiny and secondly starting from a shocking performance, forgive me for putting it in context.

What does what i do or not do have to do with you, or my opinion?



Forgive me Phuzzy but i do find it funny that you were the person i was "arguing" with, now you decide it was meaningless? I was looking forward to your response.



I think i have given a decent response to the "argument", never considered it that actually, but you chose to say its closed fair enough. Not sure why you have attempted to get personal when you clearly know nothing about me, to be honest mate think that says more about you than i could.

Well I think a fair definition of argument is two people 'arguing' *cough* two different sides of a debate. However the fact that you once again choose to be pedantic and use veiled insults says more about you than I could!



Jon, as I said, I consider it meaningless because 1) you're not reading my posts or choosing not to answer them properly. 2) you keep regurgitating such facts as 'we are in 9th' even that has no bearing on the ponts I've raised. 3) You single out the least significant points from my post and choose to answer those whilst continually ignoring the points which I am trying to put across. 4) you seem to think the point of debate these days (and I have to say I've noticed this from most of your recent posts) is to prove yourself right rather than offer/take/discuss interesting points. and finally 5) you seem to think that making snide and condesending comments whilst accusing other posters of 'getting personal' somehow absolves you of your actions.



Well, I for one consider that to be meaningless debate and was the reason I said the matter was closed. It was simply going nowhere. Now may I suggest we take this to PM to spare anyone else having to suffer this dross!

I cannot be bothered with this anymore to be honest, my thoughts and counter argument is made in the 3rd post up from the bottom of the last page, which you have chosen to pick 1 section of and ignore the content.



Im happy to leave it at that.

Have you 2 thought about marriage, you would make a great couple.

Couple of what though!