Wouldn't touch him with Wigans barge pole!

poplar panther must be getting excited about a possible return for this world class forward who can tackle well.

Oh he'd be more than welcome. Sign for us and then get an offer to play in the NRL, can't believe we didn't ask for something in return for him from North Queensland, he plays every week out there

Not sure what to make of this. Part of me thinks that second spells are rarely as productive as their first and I don't honestly think he's developed as a player [ithat[/i much since leaving us. On the other hand, we're plainly unable to compete for the big australian players, so maybe its a case of making the best of what we've got.

Can we stop pretending that either HP or Scott Hill are 'organisers'. Neither is or has ever been a first receiver. So we don't necessarily require a first receiver to replace either of them.

HP isn't as such but Hill is the main organiser of he whole side. He dictates play.

You are utterly, utterly wrong. All his career Hill has played outside an organiser - Kimmorley, Cronk, now Orr. Hill doesn't guide the team around the pitch, he chooses when to inject himself at second receiver. He will touch the ball around 3 times less than Danny Orr does and around 5 times less than Chad Randall.

Yer exactly, he organises the ATTACK, hence injecting himself at second reciever. Attacking kicks, passing movement etc.

HP and Hill are key decision makers and they do organise the side by choosing which direction our attacking play will go. It doesn't really matter if they don't play at first receiver, they are players who team mates look to pass to when a decision needs to be taken.



Dorn is a running standoff, it's very nice watching him intercept and run in long range tries, but he's not going to guide the side around the field. As a player he is not as good as HP or Hill, no matter how much fans like him (and I do like him), so he's not going to replace the undoubted talents those players bring to the side.

How about Orr at 6, and Dorn at 7?

It wouldn't inspire great confidence in me. I'd rather have McLinden at 6 and Orr at 7, with Jon Wells becoming first choice fullback. Purdo at loose forward and a genuine ball handling second row to replace HP.

Totally agree, although of course in an ideal world I would rather have McLinden at fullback, A N Other at 6 and Orr at 7 with Wells as a utility back.

We need pace in the halves.

He knows the set up here.

He's done well in his time here.

He's cheap?

Sounds good to me. The Orr/Dorn combo was a thrown in question, to see what ideas would come out.