it isnt a sad indictment of jnr RL in england, its a sad indictment of Hull KRs ability to bring through young players,



this is a an all english Leeds team, of players, at Leeds right now,

1. Ben Jones-Bishop

2. Lee Smith

3. Kallum Watkins

4. Keith Senior

5. Ryan Hall

6. Danny McGuire

7. Rob Burrow

8. Ryan Bailey

9. Matt Diskin

10. Jamie Peacock

11. Jamie Jones-Buchanan

12. Carl Ablett

13. Kevin Sinfield



14. Paul McShane

15. Luke Burgess

16. Chris Clarkson

17. Luke Ambler



that side would imo, be the equal of Hull KRs which will include 10 overseas players, i would guess Wigan, St Helens, and Warrington could put out English sides of similar quality.



There are many british players out there the equal of many of Hull KRs over-seas players, they havent been signed or developed by HUll KR because Hull KR dont want to take the long-term sustainable option, they want to try and take a shortcut to success.



Dont try and pretend that there arent the English players out there, its simply Hull KR failing to find them, or to sign them, nobody is asking you to put out a side with 17 english players, just saying that one with only 7, 5 years into SL, from a supposed heartland teams is a pathetic return,

Wires would be:

Mathers

Riley

Bridge

Atkins

Williams

Briers

Myler

Morley

Clarke

Carvell

Harrison

Westwood

Grix



Higham

Wood

Cooper

Mitchell



Honestly not much weaker than the current one although as seen on SC's thread, we havent developed many of those

St Helens team for next year would be....



Wellens

Gardner

Wheeler

Shenton

Foster

Lomax

Eastmond

Graham

Roby

LMS

Clough

Dixon

Wilkin



Moore

Magennis

Emmit

Ashurst

Bulls



Halley

Ainscough

Sykes

Platt

Finegan

Addy

Southernwood

Lynch

Godwin

Scruton

Whitehead

Walker

Langley



Wardle

Hargreaves

Kopczak

Crossley

Add Leon Pryce to that . . . . .

Can some one clarify for me.....



There is a steadily reducing quota for non federation trained players on each squad, right??



The only reason some clubs have more foreigners than the quota suggests is due to guys who'd signed contacts before 2008 when the new rules where brought in, who are exempt?

Need?



We dont "need" we just have.



We're playing by the same rules as everyone else.

Hull kr home grown



1 briscoe

2 fox

3 welham

4 ratu

5 colbon

6 murrell

7 spaven

8 watts

9 hodgson

10 wheeldon

11 netherton

12 cook

13 cockayne

14 latus

15 mariano

16 latus

17 taylor

18 beaumont

no, you 'need' to have these players to finish above clubs who are investing in youth and showing faith to their young players, you also 'need' to have these players because your club wont take a risk on English players. You 'need' to have them to try and shortcut to success.



And you arent playing by the same rules as everyone else, you were given a dispensation on overseas players, which in turn benefited you when you kicked up a stink over the previous quota rules.



Hull KR had a choice, they could have made a long term investment in british players, given them the chance and a couple years down the line reaped the rewards. As it is, you have chosen not to.

exactly, that team would get battered from pillar to post. But had you spent a few hundred thousand less on 30 year old Aussies, and a couple hundred thousand more on young british talent, then in 2 or three years time they could challenge,



as it is, in 2 or three years time when you lose Vella, Clinton, Mason, Newton and Galea you are really really going to struggle

My word, I can hardly believe it but Hull KR can put 17 Englishmen on the pitch too!



Briscoe

Colbon

Welham

Latus (S)

Fox

Cockayne

Spaven

Wheeldon

Hodgson

Watts

Cook

Netherton

Murrell



Latus (J)

Mariano

Taylor

Beaumont



Fact is in order to get around any potential legal issues the changes were made to the rules regarding who was classed as a quota player.



As long as the clubs stick to those rules they can – and in my opinion have an obligation to their fans to – bring in and retain the best players they can, regardless of where they are from.



Rovers need a stand-off – if Blake Green is the best they can get within the rules and salary cap restraints then I’m happy



Rovers need a prop - if Willie Mason is the best they can get within the rules and salary cap restraints then I’m happy



In coming years the numbers of non-english players on Rovers books will have to reduce in line with the rules. The challenge then will be to manage the decline of foreigners by bringing through the talent that has been nurtured in the academy. At that point, if the quality coming through the ranks isn’t good enough I will not be happy!

in a couple of years times those players could mature in too a good outfit and then challenge.

Im unsure where this pool of Super League standard English players is?



Do you know of a trick wherein a first class academy and group of young British talent is granted upon promotion to SL? Because if you do please show me.



We are making a long term investment in producing our own players and this is coming into fruition now.



As for our club not taking a risk on English players?



Paul Cooke

Scott Wheeldon

Danny Ward

David Mills

Josh Hodgson

Shaun Briscoe

Peter Fox

Mike Ratu

Matt Cook

Liam Watts

Liam Colbon

Chev Walker



Few risky ones in there im sure youll agree? Coupled with first team outings for Kris Welham, Scott Spaven, Frankie Mariano, Sam Latus and Scott Taylor. We're just about where we should be with progression.

We should put a cap on over 30s Aussies and as i don't mind players in their prime coming over to SL and playing e.g Lyon because they add so much to the competition but these journeymen who come over and add nothing can buggerr off