I appreciate that France and England need games in order to improve to try and match Australia and New Zealand, but when there is such a gap between the two what good does it do playing each other?



France are getting worse since they have had Catalans in Super League. This is puzzling me at the moment. In the pre-Catalans era they would start games well enough before succumbing to the inevitable late on. Now they are being whiped from the first whistle, against what is a very young and feeble England side.



We build up this illusion that we're on par with the antipodeans, which as ever will be smashed once we play them next. I just don't see what stick 70-80 points on France will do for anyone? It demotivates and demoralises the entire French setup.



I don't see any point to the fraud that is international league. There are 2 quality sides, NZ and Australia then a massive gap to England, then an enormous gap to the rest of the sides. There is no point trying to pretend otherwise.



Why do we bother?

Totally agree, International league is pretty much pointless. Like you said there are 2 teams, and then England and then the rest. Theres no competition and gap between those teams is enormous. Look at this weekends Union results, Argentina beat England by 2, Australia beat Italy 31-8 (even England struggle to get that kind of scoreline against the Aussies in League), and NZ lost to France on home soil 27-22. Competative, upsets. International league will never be like it is in Union.

poor france roosters

I still think we should have played Ireland. They couldn't have been any worse than France were last night.

i say we should play

PNG

Tonga

Samoa

Fiji

they have a very big pack and very mobile backs with the experience from the nrl . we saw this when we played PNG in the WC

I'm sure nobody is pretending anything. I think we should play this fixture every year. Maybe even alternating between London and Paris. You can't take anything away from players who have earned the right to play for their country and who give their all, even if they not quite up to standard.



Eventually, France will get better and crowds will get bigger. The plug gets pulled on these things too early too often.

four nation pacific cup next year

Yes ther eis a point we cant give up on international league, it's what is getting other countries involved after all. France get the chance to learn from the best in the 4 Nations later this year. After that i do believe we need regular competition between all the celtic nations as well as France.



Ireland, France, Scotland and Wales are probably on more of a level playing field and would have some good competitive games but they do need to play England! They need to play the best side in Europe to help themselves improve.



Someone mentioned never being as competitive as union. Well Italy are almost going backwards in the 6 nations and they have to call upon many Argentines as well as Gower a league convert and some other players from NZ etc. So lets not worry to much about what union is doing. Lets worry about what rugby league needs to do to improve the international scene.

Nah, France are light-years ahead of Ireland, Scotland and Wales, though a regular televised test for those nations would help them. Just look at past European Cup results, it doesn't have the profile to attract SL "ringers" so the French dominate.



France need to field a top quality 17 man squad, which means that they need a pool of 25 international standard players. At best they have 14, 6 of which were injured for the test. Come the 4N they will have their front row back as well as Pelo and hopefully Raguin at centre and the ever so french Greenshields. Imagine England had to swap 3 forwards and a centre, trading SL quality for Championship, that's the team France fielded.



Remember that we're in this for the long run, next year France will take the lessons they have learnt from the 4N to the European cup, the winner of which will be in the 2011 4N.

We don't have anywhere near enough international games, never mind getting rid of the French games! Should certainly be an annual fixture, though it'd certainly have to remain in France until they start to get a little more competitive - would have reached 80 had last night's game been played in England.



That said, England played some superb rugby at times, and with so many first-choice players missing, it was always going to be a bit of a culture shock for the French players to step up to such a level.



I'm hardly suggesting that last night's performances brings us closer to Australia and New Zealand, but in a strange way I found it very encouraging how well England demonstrated the basics of the game (let's be honest, that has quite often been a problem!), while they certainly looked like a 'team', despite limited training opportunities.



Despite the result, the French fans I spoke to enjoyed the game.

Absolutley, the development will all pay off some day with some big upsets. I look forward to that day.

You lemon.

How are countries supposed to improve if they don't play games?

Rugby union had patience with Argentina and Italy and look at them now.