And the city centre will still have a big hole in it.

who shares at wire? cant say I've heard of it being a ground share before.



think asims hit nail on head with reasons for today comments re: groundshare. city trying to get a better deal on rent.

Liverpools reserves play their.

cheers that rings a bell. Didnt think it was an actual league team.

And it's that attitude and outlook that will ensure a self-fulfilling prophecy, an appalling attitude that seems endemic in this city.



Why shouldn't the two teams co-exist under one roof? If only because no agreement has been reached previously then we're just defeatist.



I can accept that City fans would not want to play at Odsal if it means exposed stands and a cut-up pitch. I can accept that Bulls fans would not want to play at VP if it means a pitch 10 metres too short and aggressive stewards. But the parochialism from both sets of supporters where people would not move elsewhere in Bradford just because it would mean change is no good for anyone.



For my part I go to watch both teams and I am currently more concerned with the possibility of one or both folding within the next 5 years. A joint venture seems absolutely logical, particularly one that is heavily supported by Bradford Council and the academic establishments. Whether this is in Odsal, Manningham or Forster Square and whether the seats are claret and amber or red, black and amber is really irrelevant.

If its happens, i hope the bulls make sure they at least equal rights to the stadium, considering the problems Wigan have been getting from Dave Whelan over the last year or so.

I'm going to ask on here, because you can't have any sort of conversation on a BCFC messageboard without being trounced for being a Bulls supporter.



Why on Earth do Bradford City fans think the council have one set of rules for the Bulls and another for City, favouring the Bulls? Is it true?

Well, it's make your mind up time.







The main bone of contention is the stadium situation, I'm sure people would be satisfied if the council bought Valley Parade then paid the club £4m to look after it, while charging a pittance of a rent, but they aint going to make that mistake again.



At the end of the day the council, and the city, gains nothing by having a successful RL team, our three times world champions would probably get plenty of blank expressions if the name was put to someone as close as Sheffield. It's time Bradford Council sacked off any sort of link to the Bulls (most of the fans aren't from Bradford anyway), forgot about any silly sporting village where they would be main beneficiaries, and start giving some financial support to the team playing football, success in which could put Bradford on the sporting map.

I'd say there's plenty to be gained from a successful RL team! RL's a growing sport, whether people agree or not, and you are indeed right about the fact not many people outside the M62 corridor would know who the Bradford Bulls are. However, there is beneficiaries to the OSV, wasn't it being touted as a training village for 2012 athletes competing in the Olympics one time?



Bradford is on the sporting map FWIW, they have one of the most successful rugby teams in recent times, as well as a sleeping giant of a football side. Bringing them both together, in state of the art facilities (if we ever see them), could do wonders for both clubs.

It certainly looks as if the club are trying to influence Gibb. But what if these noises fail to have the desired effect? City can't afford £1m a year to rent their ground. Gibb's hardly going to waive that agreement. The best City can hope for is a reduction, they will still be left with a large bill to use their own stadium. Unlike the Bulls who would only be faced with a large bill if they left Odsal!







History suggests that will be the case, while many of the key stakholders seem now to agree that "something needs to be done with Odsal" there are no plans yet drawn up and nobody's offered to put their hands in their pocket. The OSV is a long way off yet! I think stating that something could be agreed and built by 2011 is very optimistic indeed. However it's the only hope for the club given that they can't leave Odsal without incurring a massive bill from the council and wouldn't be able to contribute anything toward City's rent costs to Gibb.







Well said. I think parochial viewpoints need to be put aside by fans of both clubs. What's best for both? If that's us both staying where we are or sharing Odsal or VP I'm happy to choose the option that safeguards my club, whatever it is. The stakes are too high for arguments about the colours of the seats!

All gubbins to try and make the scheme seem worthwhile, now they have given up on that and are trying to link the city's main team into it to try and give it credibility.





Indeed, the Bulls got as high as they can possibly go in their chosen sport, but the latent interest for RL in the city still isn't really there, indeed the Bulls are once again having to tap into Dewsbury, Halifax and the like to try and arrest the slump in support and interest.





City aren't a sleeping giant, we've never been a giant and circumstance (ie the existence of Park Avenue) has prevented it in the past, however now is the time for Bradford Council to help make things happen for the city's top club in it's top sport, instead of pandering to a noisy minority, a large number of whom have no stake in the city as it is.

You've surpassed yourself there!