So, to save Bradford's two professional clubs, we kill one and let the other die. Dead simple.

Thanks Idlebull, great info.

We can read into the gobblygook whatever we want and everyone will have their own opinion. Mine is that the council are saying that they will not put their money into two locations

See you at Valley Parade.

If directors at vp say no will it be a dead duck now?

Will council say hey we tried to give it you but city wouldnt move to make it viable?

Will they dangle a financial carrot in front of directors to persuade them to move?

If council offered a couple of million to city to make this happen, getting the strain of dunns off from around their neck surely the shareholders would have to have a say.

City have staged a u21 game once(think v italy) surely by moving to a brand new sporting village would see them in the papers more, show their ambition and entice more corporate clients.

The fa could probably stage a few games there as well.

The wc challenge could get staged there rather than just leeds or huddersfield.

The fa would probably fund the gap to build it.

Richard dunns slides are shut for repair at mo, its taking a week and costing 90k to do the repairs, but how much are they losing as well, it will prob top 100k jsut for one week thru loss of sales and expenditure, 100k that could be given to the community or schools so everyone gets the benefits.



Odsal has a vast area to develope, with the building work going on at mo to bring jobs to the area, bringing more corporate clients with it.

Marksies are building a massive store, hoping to create thousands of jobs, could they get involved with it.

There you have your preferred solution.



It's the only option the club have that will see the council willing to write off the money the Bulls would owe to quit Odsal off their own back.



City moving into the OSV project is not going to happen, the proposed plans would not provide facilities anything like there is at VP now, and it would cost way way too much to develop similar facilities at Odsal.



Moan and bitch all you like but if you actually want an RL club to support in Bradford a move to Valley Parade is the only option.

My two cents on this as a fan of both clubs. For city to consider moving to Odsal the plans for the sports village would have to be radically altered. Due to the taylor report and city's desire to move back up the divisions the shared stadium would have to be an all seater, likewise it would have to be fully covered. We already have a 25,000 all seater in Valley Parade, so for moving to Odsal to be a step up basically Odsal would have to be redeveloped into a brand new 25,000 all seater fully covered stadium. Which needless to say, would pretty much involve all of Odsal being bulldozed and starting over.



Given that its going to cost tens of millions to put a roof over the popular side and add some extra seating there, i can't see the council wanting to come up with the funds to transform it into a 25,000 capacity state of the art stadium. What they seem to be hinting at IMO, is wanting to move the Bulls to Valley Parade and redevelop VP. Which i hear was the plan a few years ago.



My main concern is that Bulls crowds fell when moved to VP. Other than that i'd be happy for the Bulls to be at VP. Providing Odsal got redeveloped into a brand new community stadium i'd be happy for City to move to Odsal. Given that Odsal appears to be a financial black hole an even better option would surely be to build a brand new stadium somewhere else for both clubs? But we know the council can't organise a p*ss up in a brewery so theres more chance of me flying to mars in a robin reliant.

OK here goes again in this relentlessly circular conversation (now in its 108th year).



Given A - that Odsal is a dump beyond any hope of saving (the sports village should have the byline "polishing a turd"icon_wink.gif and B Bulls fans hate VP then why not C. Give both up and move to a brand new stadium on the periphery of the city somewhere?



It feels like Bulls fans need to get some sort of reality check and put aside the perfectly understandable but fruitless sentimentality about a stadium we cannot stay in. Once we reconcile ourselves with that fact we can try and formulate some genuinely visionary and sensible plans.



OR. Someone tell me how having a roof on the popular side interfaces with the need to replace all the concrete in such a huge arena.

I am a bulls fan of many, many years, and have many great (and not so great) memories of odsal that I will always cherish. As much as I would hate to leave odsal the biggest priority must be the survival of the club.



When the Bulls played at VP a few years back I still attended every match, but was very glad to return top odsal. I was no fan of the facilities at VP, but I truly suspect that I would dislike any all-seater stadium just as much, being someone who prefers to stand in the crowd.



For me, VP is very badly situated; It is far from easy to reach from the motorway without hitting the town centre, parking is attrocious, and there is little potential from further development (if my memory serves me correctly in regards to the councils refusal to grant future planning applications a few years back.



For me, neither VP or Odsal is a viable unified stadium for the city and so a totally new development is, in my humble opinion, probably the only option.

Somewhat agreed, although the council reportedly granted us permission to build a second tier to the Midland Road stand whilst we were in the premiership which would have taken the capacity to 30,000. However even if this is possible, i believe the future of both clubs is further out of the city in a new community stadium. But i just cant see it happening with the record the council has.



Oh and on the subject of all seater stadiums, if fans continue to keep up the pressure on the government to review safe standing at football grounds and they adopt a similar scheme to the German leagues where small safe standing sections are allowed, then hopefully any future stadium may not need to be completely all seated

So people seriously think someone should rustle up £30m + to build a new stadium for two clubs, when there's a perfectly acceptable stadium there already which needs no further developing, OK, good thinking.



Some Bulls "supporters" have to get over themselves, adapt or die - if your support of the club is dependant on not having to drive for 10 more minutes, or catch a bus then you don't deserve a club anyway.





Yep, so bad 13,000 people make it there to watch fourth division football every couple of weeks, it's practically in the middle of nowhere.

maybe you need to get over your barely hidden agenda to get bulls shifted to valley parade because its handy for yourself?

I live closer to Odsal