Speak to them about it then.

Quote Forumjacker="Forumjacker"Not correct. Different clubs have different criteria for having delivered.'" www.skysports.com/story/0,19528, ... 82,00.html I'd say that covers it!

Quote Forumjacker="Forumjacker"Not correct. Different clubs have different criteria for having delivered.'" www.skysports.com/story/0,19528, ... 82,00.html I'd say that covers it!

Covers what?

The definition of Wiagan delivering.

Their goals for this seaon which in turn can be judged by wether they have delivered or not.

When Noble arrived in April 2006, Dave Whelan stated that if Wigan didn't win silverwear by the end of 2009, it'd be time for him to go.



He delivered his verdict last season.

Proper punishment on his way to Mathers? www.superleague.co.uk/article.php?id=13004

Proper punishment on his way to Mathers? www.superleague.co.uk/article.php?id=13004

Quote thebloodbath="thebloodbath"Proper punishment on his way to Mathers? www.superleague.co.uk/article.php?id=13004'" What has happened to that lad? His game appears to have fallen apart and I honestly thought he was top class whilst here.

Quote thebloodbath="thebloodbath"Proper punishment on his way to Mathers? www.superleague.co.uk/article.php?id=13004'" What has happened to that lad? His game appears to have fallen apart and I honestly thought he was top class whilst here.

I watched him alot in the academy and enjoyed his rugby in a senior Leeds shirt. He was a talented player. For that reason I overlooked his arrogance because he did the business on the pitch. He had a nightmare with injury in Ozz and hasn't settled into the Wigan shirt at all. Maybe in private he'd love a return to Leeds, to former glories and best friends (McGuire). But that ship has sailed, we don't have room for him (Webb and Smith) and he's slipping into obscurity. The only question remains, can he turn it round? And show what he was once capable of? I can't see it happening at Wigan and how many fresh challenges does he need?

This was a lad that was very, very talented.



It surely can't be make or break time in his career at this age. Is he really playing any worse than any of the journeymen antipodeans' that don't appear to come under the same type of scrutiny in the league?



Anyway, he's still a better player than Michael Platt.

Not make or break to the letter, but a couple more duff years and the quality of clubs interested in his services would dip. Surely?



Yes and I agree, while ever Michelle Platt's still knocking about, Mathers can sleep at night. Talk about a bag of sh*t.

Have to agree there. I remember the start of the 2004 season where he'd ousted Gary Connolly from the fullback spot, and fully deserved the position too. Remember he had a cracker away at Hull FC the week they released Connolly from his contract.



Felt he was also a strong contender for the man of the match in the 2004 Grand Final. Some of the bombs he defused under the pressure that night were awesome (didn't he also have to miss the internationals post-season due to a wrist injury from the final too?).



Shame to see such a decline in someone who clearly does have great ability.

Quote thebloodbath="thebloodbath"Proper punishment on his way to Mathers? www.superleague.co.uk/article.php?id=13004'" Mathers has been banned for two matches.

Quote thebloodbath="thebloodbath"Proper punishment on his way to Mathers? www.superleague.co.uk/article.php?id=13004'" Mathers has been banned for two matches.

It would appear so, just take a look at the pies board