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| and Leeds were the best attended club in SL when Leeds Utd were in the Semi-Finals of the champions league.
There is 700'000 people in the City of Leeds (not to mention the circa 3m in the city region) it would be very surprising if Leeds Utd and Leeds Rhinos were fighting over less than 10 percent of that figure who would need to be the only people who regularly attend sport in the city.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"and Leeds were the best attended club in SL when Leeds Utd were in the Semi-Finals of the champions league.
There is 700'000 people in the City of Leeds (not to mention the circa 3m in the city region) it would be very surprising if Leeds Utd and Leeds Rhinos were fighting over less than 10 percent of that figure who would need to be the only people who regularly attend sport in the city.'"
But Leeds gates where static around that period, and the dramatic increase came around 2004 when Leeds United got relegated.
Do you think that is coincidence?
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| Quote Adeybull="Adeybull"Possibly because few of us read the YEP, since it's Leeds' (evening) paper, same way few of you guys are likley to read the T&A.
But more to the point, because (apart from Geldhill, obviously) few of us are much interested in [ischadenfreude[/i, recognising sorting our own issues out is a load more relevant than gloating about the possible loss by Leeds of some glory supporters.
There is indeed a short thread on RAB about this, started by Gledhill. But pretty well no real bites, and to be honest what adverse comment there is has been largely stirred up by your own Billy Rhino wading in with his size 13 troll boots.'"
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| Quote Rogues Gallery="Rogues Gallery"But Leeds gates where static around that period, and the dramatic increase came around 2004 when Leeds United got relegated.
Do you think that is coincidence?'"
Yes, because they won their first SL title that year, playing some great rugby.
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| Quote Rogues Gallery="Rogues Gallery"But Leeds gates where static around that period, and the dramatic increase came around 2004 when Leeds United got relegated.
Do you think that is coincidence?'"
2004 was also the season Leeds won their first championship in 32 years, as well as being the season LUFC left the premiership.
Glass half full - Rhinos success brought fans to the club
Glass half empty - People started coming because LUFC were in a lower division.
The truth? Probably somewhere in the middle.
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| Quote Wheels="Wheels"Yes, because they won their first SL title that year, playing some great rugby.'"
What he said.
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| Quote Rogues Gallery="Rogues Gallery"But Leeds gates where static around that period, and the dramatic increase came around 2004 when Leeds United got relegated.
Do you think that is coincidence?'"
Yes, do you know why, because Leeds Utd where relegated (after a couple of seasons bobbing round the lower part of the premiership) at the end of the 2003-2004 season, which is mid-way through the SL season, the same SL season that Leeds Rhinos won the SL with a record points total, a record points scored, a record points difference, by a record margin and for the first time since Methuselah was born.
I would think the fact the Rhinos were successful, and so successful, after such a long wait had much more of an affect than Leeds Utd being relegated mid way through the SL season.
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| Quote Rogues Gallery="Rogues Gallery"But Leeds gates where static around that period, and the dramatic increase came around 2004 when Leeds United got relegated.
Do you think that is coincidence?'"
Average attendances at Leeds Rhinos increased by almost 5,000 between 1996 and 1999, a period when Leeds United were enjoying Champions League football, reaching the semi-finals of the UEFA Cup and breaking the British transfer record.
Where did those extra 5,000 fans come from? Shouldn't they have been saving up for expensive European away trips and Leeds United season tickets?
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| Hetherington has gone on record on numerous occassions about how Leeds Rhinos have more fans from outside it's catchment area than any other club.
The team at Headingley, coincidentally from 2003, actually targetted fans from other areas to increase the gates. Cumbria and Northumerland give a high number of visitors to Headingley. I doubt that many of them will be Leeds United fans.
By contrast, Leeds United have previously gone on record has saying that over 20% of their supporter base is from Outside of Yorkshire and in the south of the country and Ireland.
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| 22-Feb-04 ….. London ….. 15,119
19-Mar-04 ….. Wigan ….. 18,124
08-Apr-04 ….. Bradford ….. 21,225
16-Apr-04 ….. Huddersfield ….. 11,701
07-May-04 ….. Warrington ….. 16,065
=#FF0000Leeds United Relegated
28-May-04 ….. Salford ….. 14,239
11-Jun-04 ….. Widnes ….. 13,419
25-Jun-04 ….. Hull ….. 15,153
09-Jul-04 ….. Castleford ….. 13,922
23-Jul-04 ….. St Helens ….. 16,635
01-Aug-04 ….. Wakefield ….. 15,629
22-Aug-04 ….. Bradford ….. 21,225
27-Aug-04 ….. Castleford ….. 14,605
17-Sep-04 ….. London ….. 17,329
Leeds were enjoying a pretty good upsurge in support even before Leeds' relegation probably by way of the factors mentioned previously.
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| Quote Andy Gilder="Andy Gilder"I didn't think you were "having a go", just pointing out that the reason there's little interest in gloating from the Bulls supporters may be because the Leeds figures aren't actually that bad put in the context of the current economic climate.'"
Absolutely cock on there. I was going to rip the pi55 out of the whole city of Leeds until I factored in the context of the current economic climate.
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| Every club has its core supporters and most will be envious of the solid season ticket sales at Headingley despite a poor last season by recent standards.
With the belt tightening that most people are having to contemplate you would expect ticket sales to be under pressure. Add to that the fact that the team last year were well below their best for entertainment and you lose some support.
If the new coaches can get the team returning to a fast, offloading, wider attacking game then the floating supporters will be there at the turnstyles. As has been previously stated those that did not want to commit to the cost of the season ticket will be there for the big games.
When playing well Leeds have always attracted the independent rugby league supporter who has no real ties to any club but values open rugby in a great stadium with atmosphere. Put the product on the field and the support will be there even in difficult economic times. (please note GH)
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