It would have been had he connected but as it is I'd ban him for missing.

When Lima went in to the left leg of the Leeds player, the leg was off the ground. Ergo, commonly known as a "tackle".

I know all fans are biased but wigan fans with this and the whole McGuire and Ablett storms last year really do take it to an extreme.



What is so hard to understand...Lima drove his shoulder into an already held players legs, he makes no attempt whatsoever to make a tackle with his arms (as shown in that freeze frame he's dropped his tackling arm to drive in with the shoulder) - there is only one outcome if his technique (I shan't call it a tackle) had come off and that is a very very serious knee or leg injury.



As someone said on the VT, Lima could really have done pretty much anything else and it would have resulted in a completed dominant tackle without a penalty



It doesn't matter if Clarkson's leg is standing or if the first contact is above the knee - the intent was to cause injury and there is no need for that in the game. It was an absolutely cowardly attack.



I'd also add that I do martial arts and it's a well known fact that driving downwards into somebody's leg (in that context with a kick but here with a shoulder) tends to pin the foot to the ground - the leg then has to buckle and most likely its serious damage - it was only lucky that clarksons leg lifted slightly before the impact (through sheer chance)

[iOn Slater, Brown said: "If we get another crack at them, I'll be telling Jason Nightingale to headbutt him harder.



"I just pray we get another go at them.



"The people in charge should make it a free-for-all.



"If they want to use the grapple (tackle) and all the other pressure points, that's fine, but if they get whacked, they shouldn't whinge. I'll be telling my boys to give them a whack.



"If they go down, I'll be telling them to whack them again when they get up. Jason Ryles should have decked him (Jeff Lima)."



Brown, in his final season at the Dragons, then accused Melbourne of using illegal tactics in defence.



"Billy Slater ran in to fight. They claimed he was head-butted, but didn't mention it was a wrestling technique (from Cooper Cronk on Jamie Soward) which provoked the whole thing," he said.



"They should cop it on the chin. If we play them again, I'll be telling my blokes to rip in. An eye for an eye.



"If the NRL say something is illegal, I'll still be telling my boys to act on it.



"It is the schoolboy bully scenario. We have to be allowed to get at them."[/i

Nathan Brown had his number back when he was at St George. Wigan have always been hard to like but this lot are up there in the s***house stakes.

Carmonts was not reckless. Someone had already made the initial contact (Farrell I believe) which made Hauraki's head drop slightly from the force of the tackle which is why Carmonts tackle hit high. Wasn't intentional or reckless at all.

No you've justified why it wasn't intentional - it hit the face and was therefore reckless.

Can you read everyones minds or just Wigan players?

sorry thats wrong. carmonts not a dirty player but he got it all wrong

That's just my opinion, which I am perfectly entitled to. I don't see why your just saying this to me, how can you lot tell it's reckless.



In reply to a previous post, I would assume the RFL's definition of reckless, is the same as this; "heedless of danger or consequences; careless". Now we can't tell what Carmont was thinking but I would assume he wasn't acting recklessly.

If you are in any doubt about Lima's intentions and if you are in any doubt as to whether that is the way MaGuire coaches his teams just watch WIgan's warm ups. They were practising the thing on each other.

Yeah, Wigans tackling technique has been two up top and one round the legs ever since Maguire came. Watch an NRL game, its standard fair.

To be fair lock and leg tackles are the way to slow the ptb and are coached in many teams, the issue is more about how it's approached as the ball carrier is more vulnerable.