Just the sort of smart-a[ir[/ise comment I'd expect from someone with little comprehension of how these things work. The problem is, once something has been broken up, sold for scrap and the money spent, there's little that can be done to repair it again. As Labour will discover when they try to repair the damage to the NHS, or as has already been discovered with the selling off of utilities, rail & bus transport, North Sea oil & gas, council house building etc...

governments can do pretty much whatever they like. if they want to nationalise anything they can, and indeed have done in the past. why would labour want to repair the nhs when they're the ones who kicked to door in to the private sector getting involved? capita? take your time on that one.

oh, you forgot the gold sell off too.

still you keep fighting this mythical class war. get your donkey jacket on a light a brazier or something.



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He might have shot himself in the foot here. I don't know of a single owner of a business involved in any way in international trade that wants us out of the EU. It's economic suicide and they know it. Many of these people are large contributors to the Conservative party.



He may end up with a happy back bench but no money to run a campaign.





I find myself seriously considering voting Green. Which is pretty worrying TBH.

So, are you saying that employment law is not necessary?

At least, I think that is what that rabid outburst was meant to convey.

I wouldn't let the vast majority of MP decide whether I should empty my cat's litter tray never mind something of this significance. The majority of MPs have little life experience outside of politics and if they were of a higher calibre they would not even be in politics.



Let's face what work experiences and specialised knowledge have any of the main party leaders got that put them in a better position to decide than the likes of Alan Sugar?

rabid outburst?

the only people who are having those think we're off back to the poorhouses/slavery if, heaven forbid, the tories give us a vote on something in 4 years. still, i'm sure there's plenty of people lining up to be the next tolpuddle martyrs.

Its like political tourettes.

That being the case, you're not actually in favour of parliamentary democracy.



As most people don't have a clue about the EU, and can't be @rsed to find out the facts, I don't see how a referendum would be much use except as a political stunt for Cameron to fob-off the UKIP tendency in his party.



Our entire constitution (monarchy, commons, lords, supreme court, etc, etc) has come about over centuries without any referenda, so why is this issue any different?

Personally, this is my main worry about this whole thing....We are putting, arguably, the most important decision in this country's future, in the hands of a huge amount of people who haven't the first clue about what they are expected to vote on.



Worryingly, for the vast majority, their decision will be hugely influenced by the likes of The Sun and The Mail - Its almost inevitable that this whole thing will turn into race/immigration issue, with the little Englanders being swayed with xenophobic rhetoric - I'm expecting plenty of anti-German, anti-French, anti-AnybodyButOurselves stuff from the majority of our popular media and I'm afraid it will become increasingly distasteful.

This is nothing about Europe. It is about politics to win the next election.



It cuts the UKIP off at the knees.



It gives the Tories the chance to appeal to nationalism and to those who believe the cause of Britains woes are Europe.



It gives them clear water from the Lib Dems.



The Tories win the election and the Lib Dems are wiped out.



Cameron then negotiates with the EU who say no we will not let you be in our club but give you vetoes etc which give you economic advantages.



Cameron then goes to the country with a referendum saying i tried to negoatiate but got nowhere but we have to stay in Europe as it will be disastrous for the UK economy to leave ( he has already said he wants to negotiate powers back but that we should not withdraw from Europe).



All the major parties then say stay in Europe he either wins the vote or lose it and we withdraw from Europe.



Either way he is playing Russian Roulette with the British Economy. But as it is about winning elections who cares.

What is wrong with giving the voters a say on such an important issue? After all the last time the British public voted to stay in or leave what was the EEC which was then just an economic trading club.



So much has changed since then. The EEC has become the EU with the accent more on politics and bureaucracy than trade. An undemocratic commission having such a say in legislation on issues that were previously made in our own parliament is a reasonable concern. The single currency which became the disaster many had forecast. To overhaul the inherent flaws in the Euro the EU leaders are demanding changes that will affect all 27 members and not just the 17 members who adopted the Euro.



The EU (EEC) is continually changing and so it is not unreasonable for the PM to seek to change some of the terms of our membership as indeed others are doing with regard to the single currency. The EU needs to change and give some urgent priority to solving its loss of competitiveness.



In commiting to a future referendum on this important issue it should open up some serious debate and bring forth the real facts as to the pluses and minuses so we are all better informed.



I suspect that the Labour party now will follow the Conservatives and include a referendum pledge in their manifesto.



The EU has been splendid for career politicians and bureaucrats. It has also been very good for large companies and multi-nationals who have the funds and legals teams to overcome the hurdles. (coincidentally these same politicians and large companies would have had us join the Euro so no suprise that they don't want a referendum)



But for the large number of SME's that form the backbone of the UK it has been not so good.



I have a feeling too that our bigger companies found EU trade easier than working at the emerging markets so became complacent. Which may be an answer to our dismal export performance to the BRIC market